Well, wanted to throw this down here so it 
doesn't get lost in the chaos above. But well, I 
thought I did appologize and set things straight 
early on in my second post, but don't see people 
reading that one or they are overlooking it, so I 
will say it again. If I did offend you Deb. I'm 
sorry. I never intended to do you any harm and 
such, and we never did once mention your name in 
posts, so we went on about a subject NOT about 
you, but packaging in general, and well, if I 
made an error and harmed you, I am sorry if you 
were upset about it. I think many of us were 
upset, so if folks can follow this and we can 
come together and be nice and friendly to one 
another, we can stop the insanity. I never 
intended for you to be mad or upset or ruined, 
because well, from my POV, I wasn't attacking 
you. I strived hard to keep your name out of this 
and after making my error, even came back and 
posted that I was sorry about it and it wasn't 
against you. So, hope you can know by those 
actions and this one, our conversation had 
nothing to do with you. Sorry you saw it that way 
and never meant it to be that way. You might be 
upset, but you are not alone in feeling so. I 
guess we all are upset in this matter and I never 
did once attack you personaly. I never even 
intended to hurt your reputation and even when I 
made a mistake, did come back quickly and try to 
amend that to you. Anyway, as someone wrote to me 
and said, and I do agree, My point was lost in 
the chaos: A better way to package cels. That's 
all we were discussing so sorry Deb. if any of 
that made you upset.  I also wish for the attacks 
on me to stop as well. Especially when people 
finger point I did something and then go back and 
do the same thing to me. It just creates chaos 
when there was none to begin with with our little 
discussion. And if I did hurt her, sorry-never 
meant or was meant to be or go that way, since we 
never discussed Deb. at all in the thread. I 
never meant her any harm or to tarnish her 
reputation in any way and if it did, I humbly 
appologize. I just went along with many others 
who don't anymore like a certain thing. It is 
something we agreed on and in our eyes is our 
opinion. By thinking that, in no way do I hold 
any cel dealer or seller personaly less as a 
business person or as a person based on MY likes 
and dislikes. I never once did mention my hate 
towards Deb. but did mention I did NOT hate her. 
I asked for help as well and I received the help 
I need to fix my cel. I'm sorry if my earlier 
post came off as harsh, and did try to amend 
that, but seems no one read it, so I try again 
and say sorry so where others will see clearly. 
If some saw it as that, well, can't say anything 
but that all people see it differently and I 
didn't see it as an attack as some others with me 
thought the same. I am human as well with feeligs 
and was hurt and upset by the attacks on me-when 
I tried to clearly state I never meant her any 
harm. I don't think I'll ever come back here, 
because peple are too brutal when I never did 
attack her as people stated I did.  It's too much 
to handle right now, but well-I still know a few 
people here to which I'll still talk to through e-
mail. Thanks for all you who stood up for me and 
saw I never did intened any harm on her. But even 
so, I'll be the first to say sorry in this. We 
are all human and such as well. I will appologize 
to you if you feel that way. I think you are a 
great person and never once did I intend to do 
any harm.